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The interesting thing about this one is that he was much more balanced and even complimentary here than when he tag-teamed with the guy from Out of Spec.
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I noticed that as well.
5 Things I Love About the New Dodge Charger Daytona
The all-new, all-electric 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona is arguably the most controversial car from the brand since the launch of the 2006 model, when the world discovered it would be a four-door sedan. After watching numerous reviews from various automotive websites, it’s clear that Dodge has its...
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Car and Driver and Road and Track have written reviews, no video that I've seen yet:
Both seem to lean positive.
Both seem to lean positive.
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Yeah, more "impressions" than actual review. No real independent test info.
I'm sick of people mentioning the Frunk being optional. Well, so far, out of 1000 cars, I've only found 2 that don't have the Plus Group, and those are 2025s. And other cars with Frunks have something else to contend with. In the USA if you can lock a kid in there, it needs a release IN THERE. My Polestar 2 has a stooopid divider to block people fitting. Dodge has a (I think) lighted push button release, or at minimum one of those glowing handle things. And if someone is buing a Scat Pack purely for performance, and not getting the Plus Group, they would want it as light as possible anyway. Heck, I'd love a seat delete kit! A SMALLER BATTERY option. Just enough to get you to the track and back to a charger. Save maybe 400-500 pounds!
Anyway, I'm looking forward to actual test numbers, braking, skidpad...
(Not Slalom, those will suck just because it is so damn big!)
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Nearly everything before the start point has been shown before on RacerX's video previously posted.
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I think the frunk distress comes from it being any part of an option period. That's a pretty nickel and dime way to treat customers, when the part likely costs Dodge less than $3 to include.
It isn't as if the car isn't already priced at a premium level to start with.
5 Things I Love About the New Dodge Charger Daytona
The all-new, all-electric 2024 Dodge Charger Daytona is arguably the most controversial car from the brand since the launch of the 2006 model, when the world discovered it would be a four-door sedan. After watching numerous reviews from various automotive websites, it’s clear that Dodge has its...
Video where he goes through the article and adds a bit of color commentary.
2024 Charger Daytona Scat Pack Stage 2 First Edition in Triple Nickel
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Kyle, while I do respect his EV knowledge and experience, does have some clear biases and blindspots due to age and experience in cars prior to the EV push and self driving advances. What is interesting, is if you watch his OVER an hour long review; he spends the majority of the time, while driving, smiling and laughing. He couldn't hide the fact that he was enjoying the car, and would catch himself in moments of joy, and quickly point out something he didn't like.
Again, I still respect the guy, but in the end he is just one guy; with very different needs and wants out of cars than most of us. I fully expected his critique to be harsh. It was the guys from Throttle House that actually surprised me with how negative their impressions slanted.
2024 Charger Daytona Scat Pack Stage 2 First Edition in Triple Nickel
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Yep. It's the moped theory. Everyone has a blast on those little Honda mopeds, smiling their assess off and hooning around on one. UNTIL, their friends show up or see them; then suddenly, it's "Yeah. It's OK. Sorta sucks."
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I noticed the incongruity between his demeanor while driving, and his critiques, as well. I think he doesn't appreciate EVs that don't push the boundaries of range, charging speed, and enthusiasm-numbing technology. The Daytona does none of these, and doesn't apologize for it.
A lot of EV fans are still hung up on range as being the most important number. I have zero interest in driving 400 miles non-stop. Anything above 200 miles of range is just padding the margins for winter driving.
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I agree, and it is everyone, not EV Fans. If anything, I think EV "haters" (EV unfamiliar?) are more concerned about range than people hat actually have one now.
While I won't say I have "zero" interest. I do have "minimal" interest/concerns. I have driven well over 400 miles at a stint, straight through. BUT, it was maybe once a year. IF stopping to charge was really an issue, I would just rent a car instead.
And yes, winter driving is a factor, but IMHO, not as much as gasoline. IF you get stuck in traffic, I'm pretty sure you can sit in reasonable comfort, for a lot longer than idling a gasoline car.
I live east of Pittsburgh, and definitely want to go back to the Woodward Dream Cruise and/or Roadkill Nights (if it happens again) I've been to both several times. That is a decent one day drive, and I need juice once there, so charging is a factor, but minimal one. Now when I was in Florida like in 2021, and my wife was concerned about winter storms, we left early. Packed up and hit the road at noon, and drove straight through to home, only brief stops for gasoline. EV would have needed several hours longer and would have turned into a hotel stop and/or driver swaps. Nothing major, but it would have changed the trip home. (FWIW, This was in a 2019 Volvo S90 Inscription T8 (PHEV) that was AWESOME!)
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I fairly regularly drive 600+ miles in a single day, and growing up my family did so several times a year for trips from NY's Hudson Valley to NC's Outer Banks. So, I understand the concerns about range, and my pet peeve about EV advocates is not understanding EV skeptics real concern about range.
Typically, EV advocates jump straight to telling people why they shouldn't worry about range, they don't actually drive that far very often, etc, etc. Which completely misses what the real concern is; what skeptics are really saying is "my current car has the capability to do this thing. It sounds like you're asking me to pay more for a car that does not have the capability to do this thing"
The better approach is to talk someone through HOW they do long drives, and how they only need to make small changes to their planning to accommodate an EV. For example, when my family drives from NY to NC, they typically stop a couple of times, once for breakfast and walking the dogs, again for gas and to stretch legs, and then once more for lunch and walking the dogs. All a modern EV requires of you is to make those stops where there is a DC fast charger.
Now to be fair, there are times when we have made fewer stops, and when I do the trip solo in my V6 Challenger, I aim for a single stop for lunch, gas, and walking the dog. But, even so, I've looked at it and for the Daytona it's going to mean a total of 3 stops, and not for very long. Probably safer and healthier in the long run than driving for 4+ hours in a single stretch.
So yes, an EV means more planning than "drive until near empty, find a gas station" but, it is not a huge ask.
Also, if charging networks would do more to build DC fast charging stations like they were gas stations and along main routes, and less in the back of random grocery store parking lots, that would be helpful.
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2024 Charger Daytona Scat Pack Stage 2 First Edition in Triple Nickel
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Exactly. At a certain point, range above 200 miles is meaningless to most people in the most populated regions of North America. What is more important is the charging capabilities and availability. Range Anxiety is a misnomer; when I talk to people, it's never actually about not having a enough range, it's about not having enough DC Fast chargers in their area (or planned route). That isn't something the car come overcome, regardless of range. It's something the manufacturers, state and federal governments, and the industry need to address. Which, by all accounts, is something they are working on; just not fast enough in my opinion.
*Side note: Everyone loves to use the Ioniq 5 N as the standard to which all new 'Performance EVs' will be held to, yet NO ONE likes to mention how it has LESS range than a Scat Pack Stage 2 model.
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LOL, yep< I almost put that in my last reference to it.
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So far the one item of value in Rich's video is that he managed to drag out of one of the engineers that the power difference R/T vs Scat is software (@ 16:30 through roughly 17:45) and both versions it's the whole drive unit rated at 250kW. I was wondering if it was just the motor rated to 250kW with two different inverters changing the output.
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